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  1. Blitzburghpete

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    Nearly the end of the regular season so still time to evaluate some players, but never too early to discuss what you think we need for next year. I have some ideas i'll post but lets hear what you guys think we need for 2017.
     
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    First three rounds (no particular order)-OLB, OLB, DL
    Mid Rounds-CB, RB, QB
    Late-WR, ILB

    I know that comes to more than seven rounds but I am assuming at least one compensatory pick in there.

    James will not last forever, We need two high OLBs, IMO.

    DL depth is also a considerable need, even though Mathews has been somewhat of a surprise.

    RB and QB-Williams may not even be with us next year (I hope he is) and I would let Jones walk.
     
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    for me i think this is the first year in a long time that i can't see any GLARING must have needs. Yes we need a top OLB, and it would be nice to have another lock down corner. For me round one, ... is QB!

    No i don't think Ben is done, far from it. My reasoning is, Jones is going to be nothing more than a career backup somewhere, Mettengberger, no thanks. Ben has been around 13 years now so its not wrong to assume father time will be catching up with him at some point in the next 3 years.

    What better time than to draft his heir apparent than now when we don't have any glaring needs ( apart from OLB ) but do have a need for a backup QB.

    My biggest issue of not doing this is, if not now, is when? ( draft ben's replacement ? ) Do we have to have a shite year and go 5-11 or something to get a high draft pick the year later. I'd hate it if we got our next franchise QB that way. For me that's the "loosers" way of doing it.

    Nope at some point that's still good for the team ( ie 2017 ) with no glaring hole needs, i think should be the time we draft a QB round 1.
     
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    I think we do have glaring holes though. Next year its perfectly possible that we come into the season with chic and Dupree as our only OLBs... Its pretty much as glaring as it comes.

    I agree, up to a point, that its soon time to look at QB, but I disagree that the time is now. We are in a win-now mode, and should draft accordingly imo.
     
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    This draft is gonna be like many of the others...take the BPA. This is what happens when you're drafting 25 or later.
    QB is a need...not a starter need but backup and future starter for sure. Problem is, this draft is a very weak one for QBs.
    Edge rusher is deeper. We need depth at DL, OL, CB, RB, even WR...

    We desperately need a back-up QB, but not in this draft, maybe FA...
     
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    I completely disagree for the reasons stated below.

    I think 4-5 more years is very doable. We now have an excellent offensive line and he really took to Haley's offense.

    It has as much to do with availability as necessity. What franchise QB is going to be there at the end of round one? I surely don't see one. Trubisky, Kizer, and Watson are all long gone (top 10).

    The cold hard facts are that an overwhelming majority of franchise QBs are taken in the top half of round one. Reaching for one at the end of round one does not make the guy any better. We will be extremely lucky to get one without doing it the "loser's" way.

    My thinking is the exact opposite. We DO have a glaring need, edge rushers. And the worst thing we can do to react to a championship window closing in the next 5 years with Ben's retirement is to spend a number one pick reaching for someone who will be holding a clipboard every Sunday. I want the guy who is going to make a good defense great or give Ben that one more weapon, etc.
     
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    Pretty much my thoughts on the subject. I could see them using a high pick on a ILB if they feel they can get the long term replacement to fill Timmons shoes and pick up some youth and speed at the position.I see too much of a drop off from a pro bowl caliber player to VW. Vince can start the odd game but there's too many holes in his game.I think Mathews is only on a 1 year contract so DL depth is certainly a need. Getting 4-5 more years from Ben is not impossible but that's a best case scenario imo.
     
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    Timmons has been awesome. I would have no problem signing him for one to two years at $7-$8 million per.

    I suspect they can keep Mathews pretty cheaply too. For me, it depends on what they think of Walton and Maxey.
     
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    We won't know what they think of likes of Walton et all but at least there is some real game tape on these guys for them to look at. The law dog still has some tread left but the signs are there that Father Time is tapping on his shoulder. I suspect they'll sign him like you said. A rook,even a good one,probably takes a year to acclimate to the NFL so it would not be unreasonable for them to pick one high. As important as the lb's are to this team it doesn't make sense to draft a lesser talent in the later rounds. They're going to need a ten year starter at that position soon.
     
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    Edge Rusher, Edge rusher, Edge rusher.......

    I really don't see WR as a big need especially if Bryant is back......AB, MB, Coates, Rogers, DHB, Hamilton, Ayers. Now if there is serious doubt about MB yea then I could see a WR drafted in the mid to late rounds....

    TE- could be a need if Green if his problems with concussions lingers....

    OL-I would never be against adding OL talent but the OL is in great shape.....Hawkins will be back and Hubbard shown enough as a spot starter....I could see them drafting a C/OG in the late rounds.....

    RB-One should be drafted in rounds 4-7 for depth.

    QB-Not this year unless there is an intriguing prospect on the board in the late rounds.

    DL-Heyward, Tuitt, Hargrave, Walton, McCullers, Mathews really doesn't make DL a need but I'm never against adding talent to the DL.

    ILB-Really depends if Timmons returns....If he does then they're 3 deep at ILB with Shazier, Timmons, Williams, plus Matakevich.....

    Edge rusher-2 must be drafted

    Corner-I wouldn't be against another corner drafted high....

    Safety-Same as corner

    I really see another Defense heavy draft for the Steelers. Really the first 4 picks should be on D.....2 edge rushers, secondary or DL....
     
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    I would seriously consider Chad Kelly in the mid rounds for a QB....hes the perfect groom candidate.

    Hes kind of a dick, hes coming off of injury, hes a serious gunslinger, but has some seriously good tools and can make absolutely brilliant throws.

    I think its pretty clear that OLB/DE will be a need, though. Dupree seems to be heating up now, but they need someone opposite him. I think timmons eithers leaves or signs way cheaper, but Id be comfortable with Shazier/Vince/and possibly Jarvis on the inside.

    VERY good corner class, imo.
     
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    I was thinking Chad Kelly as well if they go QB in mid rounds.....Ben and his uncle are good friends....
     
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    I also like Luke Falk quite a bit, but he is returning for his senior year now.
     
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    I would be happy with Mahomes in say, the third round.
     
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    I dont think oline is a very big need, especially with Finney playing so well as a starter this year for Foster

    We still dont know anything about Jerald Hawkins, but gotta be happy with the depth with Finney (undrafted), Hubbard (undrafted).

    Crazy to think that since 2007 we have drafted 13 offensive linemen and missed on Mike Adams (2nd), Tony Hills (4th), Kraig Urbik (3rd), Cameron Stephenson (4th), Chris Scott (5th), AQ Shipley (7th), Keith Williams (6th)

    Let go of Wesley Johnson (5th), Kelvin Beachum (7th)...both starting players right now. Jerald Hawkins yet to be determined

    But still have put together an outstanding offensive line with slam dunk picks like decastro, gilbert, and pouncey and undrafted free agents like Villanueva, Foster, Finney, Hubbard.

    Obviously theres been journeymen along the way...Flozell, Jonathan Scott, Sean Mahan, Justin Hartwig, Doug Legursky, ect...but the steelers have really done well in the first round and with undrafted free agents for a long time now.
     
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    I don't think OL is a need at all, I'm just never against adding talent along the OL especially if a top guy falls....I liked the Hawkins pick and he will be back. I think Hubbard has shown enough as spot starter. I could see them adding a C/OG late....I don't think Wallace is back next year as the backup C.
     
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    I really want Derek Barnett but Steelers would have to trade up to get him.....Really the time is now for a trade up to get an impact edge rusher....

    Charles Harris, TJ Watt, Solomon Thomas, Carl Lawson, Williams and Anderson from Bama, Smoot from Illinois are other Edge rushers I like...
     
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    The coaches were very very high on Hawkins before he went down. I think he could be push both tackles at some point. Id like to see us draft a center at some point. Thats the only position I feel we're thin at on the line.
     
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    Gilbert has been so good under munchak. Really night and day as a player we saw early on.

    Finney was awesome this year, he has played center before he will certainly take wallaces spot I think.

    Hawkins I don't know much about to be honest, I like Villanueva but competition there is never a bad thing.

    I'll be posting a mock and ranking soon. Not thrilled on a lot of the rushers this year. Especially the OLB rushers
     
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    I dont think Finney is a good fit at center. He does extremely well at guard (he'd start on 95% of teams out there), but struggled whenever he had to spot for Pouncey. At the very least, I'd like for them to bring in a center during the off season, just in case.

    Its amazing how good the o-Line looks now, and how good our backups are. Not too many years ago we had Hartwig as our starting Center with Colon moonlighting as a tackle cause we didnt have players that allowed him to play guard. How times have changed.
     
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